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Four people, including a sugarcane production leader for the National Confederation of Rural Property Owners (Confederación Nacional de Propietarios Rurales – CNPR) for central Veracruz, were ambushed and killed late Thursday night in Córdoba, Veracruz. The sugarcane production leader, Israel Castillo Quijano, his brother Jonatán, a fellow employee, and a young woman in a vehicle [...]

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Funny how these folks have worked out a renewable resource for their fuel problems.. and it's an industry which makes money too...

Amazing we are not able to do this.. isn't it...

Seems our Country can't do anything.. we even hire others to drill for oil on our own property.. i.e BP....... so strange.. really.. we farm out just about everything, it would see..

And where does that leave us, when trying to pay off a few "light years" of debt?

Latin America ramps up ethanol production - Ethanol Producer Magazine

Given your background, I'm sure you know that the US committed, to the extent it could, given the petroleum lobby, to ethanol primarily based upon corn. Corn is much less efficient than sugarcane. What we've managed to do is drive up the price of other commodities that rely on corn for feed. But, it's all about who has the best lobbyists.

Alas, as long as the uncaring bureaucrats that run things are primarily focused on lining their own pockets to the detriment of the well being of the people..........

think they looked at trying the sugar beet.. but, the overall yield per acre on corn was better... and the byproducts from corn had great uses within multipole industries opposed to the sugar beet.... as I recall seems that the two big plants are gone.. one in Manteca, the other might still be there in El Centro.. but, still it was taken out too, not sure.. been a long while since I've been around that area

Also the killer on sugarcane can't be grown here in the States, maybe HI, but, then your throwing in a big cost in transportation and handling ..... puts it down to what really gives the biggest bang for the buck..

Just the nature of the game...

Originally Posted by wessongroup

think they looked at trying the sugar beet.. but, the overall yield per acre on corn was better... and the byproducts from corn had great uses within multipole industries opposed to the sugar beet.... as I recall seems that the two big plants are gone.. one in Manteca, the other might still be there in El Centro.. but, still it was taken out too, not sure.. been a long while since I've been around that area

Also the killer on sugarcane can't be grown here in the States, maybe HI, but, then your throwing in a big cost in transportation and handling ..... puts it down to what really gives the biggest bang for the buck..

Just the nature of the game...

Not to mention that for it to make a dif, we'd have to convert most of Hawaii to sugarcane production and bulldoze the resorts!! That said, beets are nowhere as efficient as cane. But, at the end of the day, alternative energy sources will constantly be fought by the big oil lobby. Kinda the same reason big Pharma keeps pushing all those patented meds that have humongous side effects.

Oh, come on now!

You are starting to sound like it was a conspiracy or something....

No disagreement with both... and wouldn't that be a picture.. the big Island covered with sugar cane... interspersed with lava flows ...

Have been watching HI real estate for a long while.. almost moved there... had tickets and we were leaving the next day... but ... decided not to go..

Had been offered a job with the State of HI Department of Food and Ag... and had gone over and did not want to come back..

But, at the last moment.. decided no...

On the real estate.. Kona.. is just full of homes for sale.. and many are leaving due to bad air from the volcano.. seems.. Pele is turning her wrath on the evil white devils by letting escaping gasses make life in Kona a living hell.. keeping old folks and kids inside the last time I looked... which might have some degree of why they don't turn it into a ag wonderland.. as anything grows there just about....

But, again... I'm not going there.. something about being on a Island.. and I know that is weird as I can't go any place anyway...

Originally Posted by wessongroup

No disagreement with both... and wouldn't that be a picture.. the big Island covered with sugar cane... interspersed with lava flows ...

Have been watching HI real estate for a long while.. almost moved there... had tickets and we were leaving the next day... but ... decided not to go..

Had been offered a job with the State of HI Department of Food and Ag... and had gone over and did not want to come back..

But, at the last moment.. decided no...

On the real estate.. Kona.. is just full of homes for sale.. and many are leaving due to bad air from the volcano.. seems.. Pele is turning her wrath on the evil white devils by letting escaping gasses make life in Kona a living hell.. keeping old folks and kids inside the last time I looked... which might have some degree of why they don't turn it into a ag wonderland.. as anything grows there just about....

But, again... I'm not going there.. something about being on a Island.. and I know that is weird as I can't go any place anyway...

From what I've seen, the major real estate inventory on the islands consists of 650 sq. ft. condos that were bought by folks using the equity that didn't really exist in their primary residences. There are a ton of condos for sale at well under $100k.

Worried about rock fever, eh?

Originally Posted by Bajahowodd

From what I've seen, the major real estate inventory on the islands consists of 650 sq. ft. condos that were bought by folks using the equity that didn't really exist in their primary residences. There are a ton of condos for sale at well under $100k.

Worried about rock fever, eh?

Yep, not sure I could handle not being able to go for a long drive to Phoenix, or where ever.. and it's also funny just remembered a gal I met years ago from the Big Island.. grew up there on the Parker Ranch.. she moved from there to Madera CA.. want to live as far from the ocean as possible.. always amazed me that someone would do that ... but, she did... moved from HI, went to CalPoly and went to work in Agriculture... in the Central Valley..

for sure on the condos... but, was thinking of the big Island mainly, there are a lot of homes for sale also, in kona.. and it is from bad air.. the other side ... many for sale ... but, that is from moss growing on you..

wife has a friend who retired over there about three years ago.. moving back due to "smog" like conditions in Kona... its hard to believe.. but, then living on the side of an active volcano is a "risk" one should consider..

Yeah, not sure I would want to live on an island that was actively growing...

Tell that to the Italians living on Stromboli!

Stromboli volcano, Italy

Originally Posted by BajaGringo

Oh, come on now!

You are starting to sound like it was a conspiracy or something....

I'm not sure which Post(s) you are talking about; I don't see any that imply a "conspiracy" to me.

Originally Posted by BajaGringo

Yeah, not sure I would want to live on an island that was actively growing...

They're growing all right...

Originally Posted by Msterieus

I'm not sure which Post(s) you are talking about; I don't see any that imply a "conspiracy" to me.

Originally Posted by Bajahowodd

Not to mention that for it to make a dif, we'd have to convert most of Hawaii to sugarcane production and bulldoze the resorts!! That said, beets are nowhere as efficient as cane. But, at the end of the day, alternative energy sources will constantly be fought by the big oil lobby. Kinda the same reason big Pharma keeps pushing all those patented meds that have humongous side effects.

Originally Posted by BajaGringo

I guess I'm too literal-minded. I still see no implication of a conspiracy. Power, money, lobbying and corruption do not mean conspiracy. A conspiracy is a combination -- a joining together to commit an unlawful act. I don't think oil companies or the like need to combine to go after (and obtain) their ends. Each one, independently, can use its money, power, and lobbyists to do this.

OK, if you say so...

"I still see no implication of a conspiracy"

Thats cuz they are so good... and have law written which makes it very difficult, if not impossible to produce evidence and in some cases even file charges..

As evidenced by the "Bail Out Bill" which has language which provides that "one can not take the Banks to court and/or ask any questions on how the funds were used .. "

Thats the law that "they" (can come on your know who they are) wrote and the one the people of the United States said NO to... but, the bill was passed anyway...

And we then find out.. Gee, AIG, J.P. Morgan, B of A, et al.. were all talking together about how this is going to flake out.. and who will be who in the new Financial landscape

Would appear that an "implication of a conspiracy" is event here .. but, are we going to see anyone from the Federal Government (Legislative, Judicial, and Executive Branches) doing anything about this... these implications ..

No, but we might see an "ethictics hearing" !!

Recall sometime back, the suggestion that we would be seeing new Agency's, as a response to: the oil release and the "handling" of our money... from the bail out... all at our expense, of the taxpayers.. we the people..

It's all good.. so good thinking going on.. hope it helps.. about time for my xanax...

Originally Posted by wessongroup

"I still see no implication of a conspiracy"

And we then find out.. Gee, AIG, J.P. Morgan, B of A, et al.. were all talking together about how this is going to flake out.. and who will be who in the new Financial landscape ....

I guess I'm not up on my current events. Do you know where I can read about this, Wiley?

Recall sometime back, the suggestion that we would be seeing new Agency's, as a response to: the oil release and the "handling" of our money... from the bail out... all at our expense, of the taxpayers.. we the people..

The taxpayers will pay plenty for accidents such as the BP spill, as well. I, for one, would rather have the money going to regulators, but then, some would accuse me of being a commie socialist or Masonic.

The spelling police are conspiring against you Wiley...

Originally Posted by BajaGringo

The spelling police are conspiring against you Wiley...

Oops, I deleted that part, after realizing it relates to posts on another forum ...