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Or is it?

I think this is pretty serious for the next decade.... now what? Anybody who thinks fish coming off the west coast won't have an issue, in my opinion, is in denial.
But, hopefully I am wrong.

That north Pacific gyre is really going to do it's job with this.... Hawaii will be in the hurt box if this is valid.

My concern is topical radiation is one thing.... ingested is significantly different.

"With caution given to the various idealizations" ...... now thats a good way to start, certainly gives me confidence ......

Good to hear they have it under control, as it relates to movement into the "water cycle" ... which is kinda important

They have a guess on the "net" increase in daily exposure worked out ...

Not a pretty picture ...

Originally Posted by soulpatch

Or is it?

I think this is pretty serious for the next decade.... now what? Anybody who thinks fish coming off the west coast won't have an issue, in my opinion, is in denial.
But, hopefully I am wrong.

That north Pacific gyre is really going to do it's job with this.... Hawaii will be in the hurt box if this is valid.

My concern is topical radiation is one thing.... ingested is significantly different.

You already know the answer to this one since you have posted on and read BN.

Originally Posted by rts551

You already know the answer to this one since you have posted on and read BN.

No, Ralph, nobody knows or has the answer. I think a lot of people who make a living off the sea will be in trouble if they don't have a plan to deal with this. It would be nice if the Mexican government would step in and provide some assistance such as retraining and health monitoring.

I wonder what plans Ron has in place if in fact, this comes to pass.

I was refering to the op's original question about the topic being debatable.

Originally Posted by rts551

I was refering to the op's original question about the topic being debatable.

It's a different audience over here brother, than on BN.

Therefore, the topic is discussed differently... far less thoughtless flame throwing over here and a topic that involves long term life quality on BN can be dismissed rather handily.

But, you know that already, right?

So, no, I don't know the answer... have you heard what is the plan is? You live in or near an ejido that makes it's living off the sea.
What's the scoop, pray tell.

Peace and health...
and good fucking luck over there on the peninsula!
I don't see a lot of agriculture to pick up the slack in that part of baja.....
It's a bad case scenario and I hope the thinkers that are involved at sea level are thinking hard right now.

No. As usual we, the world, worry about the consequences of our actions after its too late. Unlike some, I don't think this problem is going to take care of itself, nor do I think the free market is going to solve it. Japan has demonstrated it is too much for them to handle in an expeditious manner and its going to take a coordinate effort to try and get it under control. It may be to late for some of the Pacific coast already. Now if Japan nor the US can solve it easily, how the hell is Baja California SUr going to do it?

A really big problem..... I think the ejidos are really going to have to join together to figure out how to safely feed their families....

Originally Posted by soulpatch

A really big problem..... I think the ejidos are really going to have to join together to figure out how to safely feed their families....

good one

We're going to need more Geiger counters. Personal sized and under $50.

It's too bad the world community did not insist on more post-fukishima nuclear inspections to monitor that site for leaks. Leaks of this magnitude must have had the water glowing at night for goodness sake. How did this spill even happen in todays world? It's just nuts how incompetent we are at times- playing games with radioactivity.

The plumes of radioactive water are coming our way. I don't think we can change its course or the dramatic chain of events that will grow exponentially as it impacts the food chain (soon). If you were scared about Mercury in Tunafish, how do you feel about radiation in everything? How many years will it take and what will the permanent genetic damage to marine species be?

It's a good topic for debate, but not while you're having one of these:

Victoreen Radiological Survey Meter Geiger Counter KIT | eBay

Bid on this Geiger counter kit and save Baja. Maybe they will name a bufadora after you- current bid is $28.25.

It is interesting that the projected plume doesn't factor in a significant failure model.
I would think that is a very real prospect the way there seems to be no plan to handle fuel rod extraction.

Originally Posted by soulpatch

It is interesting that the projected plume doesn't factor in a significant failure model.
I would think that is a very real prospect the way there seems to be no plan to handle fuel rod extraction.

It's like one of those sci-fi movies with the asteroid bearing down upon planet earth. I hope Sandra Bullock turns up here soon and Al Gore switches gears from "Global Warming" to "Global Glowing".

And I am not kidding about having a personal Geiger counter for when you go to the fish market.

We all should rethink our plans for eating seafood and shellfish and spending time at the beach.

Parameters to define the Ocean, are a bit difficult, at this time

Toss in Global Warming and the "impact" it is currently having on the "Oceans" from a multitude of levels and projecting WHAT is going to happen in the "movements" and dispersion of "radioactive substances and/or organisms" is a best ..... toss darts at the board ... currently

Data which is on record .... does not have the same parameters which are found today, tomorrow .. et al

And that the "release" is on going, and they are still pumping water on the "reactors" to keep them from doing a "China Meltdown" is not really being discussed ... only the water "storage" and/or reoccurring "releases" into the Ocean and groundwater at the site

BG, will be able to study the effect first hand ... as don't think ya can move this type of production facility easily ....... however, anyone for Kern County can get er done in most cases

Hey Woooosh ....... and you thought body parts were bad

Originally Posted by wessongroup

Parameters to define the Ocean, are a bit difficult, at this time

Toss in Global Warming and the "impact" it is currently having on the "Oceans" from a multitude of levels and projecting WHAT is going to happen in the "movements" and dispersion of "radioactive substances and/or organisms" is a best ..... toss darts at the board ... currently

Data which is on record .... does not have the same parameters which are found today, tomorrow .. et al

And that the "release" is on going, and they are still pumping water on the "reactors" to keep them from doing a "China Meltdown" is not really being discussed ... only the water "storage" and/or reoccurring "releases" into the Ocean and groundwater at the site

BG, will be able to study the effect first hand ... as don't think ya can move this type of production facility easily ....... however, anyone for Kern County can get er done in most cases

Hey Woooosh ....... and you thought body parts were bad

What is the fish that people fear contains too much iodine? Doesn't iodine counteract radioactivity?

I taught in Kyiv, Ukraine for a little more than three months and there is still an incredible amount of radiation in the ground and water. People eat tons of salt (iodine) but the salt causes high blood pressure. Very sad effects are still arising after all these years since Chernobyl.
We may not know the risks and results for years to come. Not to be a Debbie downer but I have friends that are on the front lines to keep San Onofre shut. And still we must do the best we can to feed our hungry and nurture our ailing planet as best we can.

Originally Posted by Parker

........Not to be a Debbie downer but I have friends that are on the front lines to keep San Onofre shut................

And I'll bet they drive a Prius....oh, wait....a Prius needs electricity!!!!

"Experts say an ice barrier could be advantageous at Fukushima Daiichi, where Tokyo Electric Power, known as Tepco, is struggling to keep an estimated 1,000 metric tons of groundwater that flows through the site daily towards the sea from getting contaminated by contact with the damaged reactors and other radioactive spots."

"Meantime, Tepco is applying and preparing measures, including pumps, sea walls and removal and storage of 400 tons of contaminated water a day."

Might want to "note" there is a "net" 600 metric tons of untreated groundwater which has been in "contact" with the site ... and is going into the ocean ... as that is the gradient for the watershed in the "area" ...

Japan Studies Plan to Contain Radioactive Water - WSJ.com

This is going to be a huge problem for wild salmon stocks. Salmon migration routes follow the predicted plume perfectly.
Filter feeders, like BG's abalone, will likely be the canaries in this particular coal mine.
I wonder why this isn't getting more coverage?
Too many "end of the world in our lifetime" assertions out there at the same time?

Think the level of concern goes from immediate, based on fear of "acute toxicity" and then gradually fades, as it is "presented" as no immediate health risk ... at the levels which are being found away from the "site"

The concept which you are putting foreward is sadly "down" the line so to speak ... in the minds of many .... as there is no "immediate drop dead" impact to most ... so we go oh, well, guess we can deal with it ...

Increases in background "inonzing radiation" is something I would prefer NOT to see happening, call me old fashion

This is a double tough "item" were are talking about: Carcenogen, Mutagen and Teratogen ... just saying ... and one "atom" can do damage at the molecular level with the "cell" ... and that is how it works

Perhaps if we think real positive ..... maybe Godzilla Salmon ...

As Parker's point is "spot on" as feeding everyone is a pretty big job .... along with providing fresh water and clean air ... ya know the basics ...