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02/14/2011— A proposal for a new law*that would*punish*forced marriage is under discussion in*the*Congress of Mexico,*which if disobeyed would result in up to 18 years in prison. Many human rights organizations believe that the freedom to love is a human right that should be protected and granted to every individual. It is also said that forced … Read more

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Yeah, may be Mexico should copy what we are doing, Unites States Census Bureau report from 2008... there were almost 20,000,000 women who had a child, who were not married and did not work, either unemployed or not in the work force ..

Funny how it goes from love to ___________________ so quickly...

I will admit that I have not done much research into this topic, but nevertheless, it seems to me that a significant percentage of what is classified as "forced marriage" occurs within the indigenous population. This speaks to the idea of multi-culturalism. It brings to mind the recent effort by Oklahoma to pass a law that prevents Sharia law from ever being recognized in the state.

I just think that we are way too motivated to design a one size fits all society. That is not to come close to the notion that sex trafficking should be okay.

It really points out some of the problems that occur when tribes mingle and try to co-exist.

Found this to be an interesting read.

British Prime Minister David Cameron takes on the problems of multiculturalism - latimes.com

It is one "view" on the topic... here is a more balanced view with a little more folks that find the "view" a bit different...

2/10/11

AFP - French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Thursday declared that multiculturalism had failed, joining a growing number of world leaders or ex-leaders who have condemned it.

"We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him," he said in a television interview in which he declared the concept a "failure."

British Prime Minister David Cameron last month pronounced his country's long-standing policy of multiculturalism a failure, calling for better integration of young Muslims to combat home-grown extremism.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Australia's former prime minister John Howard and former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar have also in recent months said multicultural policies have not successfully integrated immigrants.

Would seem culture does become important to all..... and Italy has been getting a lot of "flak" over their position on immigration from North Africa to their county ... as the are "awash" in illegal's from same... from the past two decades... and now with the action across the Med.. even more are trying to leave... for Europe..

Just wish they can get together on "who's" culture is dominant ... the country they are moving too, or... the country they are coming from...

Think we used to call the United States a "melting pot"... have we move a way from that... somewhat fundamental concept..

Originally Posted by wessongroup

It is one "view" on the topic... here is a more balanced view with a little more folks that find the "view" a bit different...

2/10/11

AFP - French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Thursday declared that multiculturalism had failed, joining a growing number of world leaders or ex-leaders who have condemned it.

"We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him," he said in a television interview in which he declared the concept a "failure."

British Prime Minister David Cameron last month pronounced his country's long-standing policy of multiculturalism a failure, calling for better integration of young Muslims to combat home-grown extremism.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Australia's former prime minister John Howard and former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar have also in recent months said multicultural policies have not successfully integrated immigrants.

Would seem culture does become important to all..... and Italy has been getting a lot of "flak" over their position on immigration from North Africa to their county ... as the are "awash" in illegal's from same... from the past two decades... and now with the action across the Med.. even more are trying to leave... for Europe..

Just wish they can get together on "who's" culture is dominant ... the country they are moving too, or... the country they are coming from...

Think we used to call the United States a "melting pot"... have we move a way from that... somewhat fundamental concept..

Maybe so. And may be circumstantial. After all, the melting pot concept was viewed at a time when the vast majority of immigrants were arriving from Europe and had a long history within the Judeo-Christian value system.

In more recent times, we've seen a shift to a much larger percentage of immigrants from Asia and the Middle East, neither of which areas share the value background I mentioned. You and I both live in Orange County. There are vast areas that remind one of visiting a foreign country, simply because the immigrants have chosen to live their old values on different soil.

Well, it would appear that there are a few who would prefer their "culture" to the immigrants...

It is what it is... and reading what is being "stated" by "World" leaders in Europe about their position on change "their culture", from the immigrants .. is not working either ... as stated...

And for what its worth.. even at the end of the Ottoman Empire.. in the 19th Century... did not have people fleeing... things were very stable so to speak, as they had been for quite sometime ... same for Afaganistan, Pakistan.. with England being the block in India..

European poor were basically slaves, and had no religious and personal freedom, except as dictated by Rome and/or a King ... as I recall...

Their must have been millions of reasons why folks came to America... think it was, at that time, the first time the working stiff had a chance to obtain LAND.. as most all in Europe was spoken for .... by the wealthy... plus, one could just take off and go west .... dangerous yes, but it was still better than living in a city and working for market, tannery, shipbuilding and many other occupations.. for some.. which was not available in Europe

If you had the choice back in the 1600s wouldn't you have taken the chance to gain total freedom.... from what was going on in Europe in that time frame... if you were a serf..

I can understand ones desire to maintain an "identity" as all do in life....

Ah, yes. The Ottoman Empire. Ever wonder why the second largest city in Egypt is called Alexandria? Know that there's a huge population of folks of Greek heritage in Egypt?

Perhaps my own prejudice is showing here, but in the more than four decades that I've lived in California, and despite the proximity and blended heritage that folks here share with Mexico, it just seems to me that immigrants fro SE Asia are the ones that tend to cloister and live their past culture.

Originally Posted by Bajahowodd

...in the more than four decades that I've lived in California, and despite the proximity and blended heritage that folks here share with Mexico, it just seems to me that immigrants fro SE Asia are the ones that tend to cloister and live their past culture.

Driven through Garden Grove lately?

When young in the mid 40's we moved from Lancaster on to the property of the old Rancho San Pedro at the Rancho Dominguez , which is now a historical landmark..

My sister and brother and I used to get to ride the horse's which were keep on the Rancho... and had full run of the entire place... at the time, it was a “seminary”.... and there were all these young guys becoming priests ...... they were all great to us kids...

For fun, they would come to our house, which was Company property, my dad was an "operator" for Edison Company ... he got the job after WWII...

But, anyway... the priests would come to the house to watch the "Dianna Ray Hutton ALL GIRLS Band... Spade Coolly and a few other programs..., which I don't recall at the moment.. but, I do remember a few having a "beer" with my old man...

On the “property” were many Mexican families.. Who had lived there a long while.. I grew up with some of those “folks” kids… we used to play all over the place… horses, cows, pigs.. They lived the old life… the one they had been living for a long while, something we grew up with Mexican families in the 40’s here in Los Angles Country, in South Compton..

It was a great experience ... and had a great deal with how we came to see Mexican people and their culture.. They were the same as us… as are most other people…

Just my thoughts on folks living together with different cultures… in American and a time in history for me….

Originally Posted by BajaGringo

Driven through Garden Grove lately?

How about you? Actually, vast expanses of Garden Grove and Westminster have become SE Asia. Not only are there mile after mile of businesses that are not only asian owned, but the signage on the businesses is either Korean or Vietnamese. But, more than that, the influx of of Asians literally drove a number major businesses away. Throughout the area, there are scores of supermarkets once run by the likes of Vons, Ralphs, etc, that are now independent and catering to the Asian community. TJ Max left. Smart & Final left. A few chain resturants left as well.

I really don't want this to sound like prejudicial rant. It just seems to me that unlike the immigrants from Europe and Latin America, who fundamentally integrated by the second and third generation, I just don't see that happening here. Perhaps the cultural differences are that much greater.

Friends of mine living there now call it Little Saigon...

When i had my big truck I hauled Rice into L.A. area and Long Beach fron Northern Ca. At least twice a week I guess in a 5 year period I was in every Asian food service place in So. Ca. most of those people are as racist toward us as the worst redneck could be toward them. I serviced some Vietnam rice cake and noodle places that were downright filthy. the Chineese and Korean people were pretty nice. I used to pick up Saki in Berkley and haul it south also. at the saki place there was this Black guy that got his job by filing a reverse racial discrimination suit on the Japaneese that ran the Saki brewery.AT the time I thought it was funny.