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One Federal Zone land dispute has been THE hot topic in Rosarito Beach since 2008: the case of Tila Ortiz-vs-Alonzo Nava. (full disclosure- Alonzo Nava is my legally married partner.) Although a "hot topic" it was a fairly straightforward legal case.
Tila Ortiz brought this dispute before the Director General of SEMARNAT in a letter dated April 2011 which is attached below. That letter claims Alonzo Nava used fraud to acquire the Federal Zone concession under a house she has owned and lived in for more than 20 years. Alonzo was given 14 days to respond to those claims in writing and his detailed response letter is also attached. On September 12, 2012 the Director General of SEMARNAT issued his ruling in favor of Alonzo Nava and that decision is attached below as well. These are the facts in a nutshell: In 2006 Alonzo Nava applied for a Federal Zone beach concession for the area in front of his Rosarito Beach house. In 2008 his concession was approved, but it also included beach area outside of his application area. (SEMARNAT has the ability to tweak applications and concession areas and they did so). In the area awarded Alonzo Nava was an abandoned house in 2006, which Tila Ortiz had rehabbed and occupied between Alonzos 2006 application date and the 2008 concession award date. Alonzo latewr applied for more beach area in 2010 and the Federal Line was moved further east into the street- Paseo del Mar. In March 2010 Tila Ortiz obtained a form of land ownership document called a “Prescripcion Positiva”. However the Federal Zone is "inperscriptable" by Mexican law. With no valid proof of ownership and with 14 neighbors signing a letter stating Tila Ortiz had never lived there prior to 2006, the Director General dismissed all her ownersip claims and upheld the concession of Alonzo Nava as current, legal and valid. Four documents attached: 1. Letter of Tila Ortiz to the Director General of SEMARNAT. April 2011 ORTIZ_CARTA_DG_ZOFEMAT.pdf 2. Response letter to the Director General by Alonzo Nava (Spanish version). August 2011 Nava_Semarnat_Esp_Final_Doc.pdf 3. Response letter of Alonzo Nava (English draft missing many revisions) August 2011 SEMARNAT_SGPA_DGZFMTAC_3189_FINAL_ENGLISH.pdf 4. Decision letter from the Director General of SEMARNAT. September 2012 SEMARNAT_NAVA_Sept_12_2012.pdf There are dozens of other letters, videos, photos, maps and documents in this case. All the critical ones are mentioned in the decision or are included in the attached PDF files. I will post them individually if the discussion of this case warrants it.
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A couple of questions I have been curious about:
1. What proof has she submitted that she has spent 20 years there, other than her word? 2. Is she claiming any legal right to the property other than by squatting (sales contract, inheritance, etc)? 3. Who would be the federal agency that would have to act to have her legally removed?
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1. She has shown no proof that we have ever seen. Her "word" was rejected by the neighbors, including one who was raised in that house during the time period Tila Ortiz claimed ownership. (If she had ANY form of ownership proof- she would not have needed to apply for the Prescripcion Positiva- which is the weakest from of ownership document.) 2. Not that we are aware of. It was mentioned on another website she had lost the ownership papers associated with an estate sale. Just hearsay though, she never presented it to SEMARNAT. 3. The Federal agency to have her removed would likely be PROFEPA.
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This 1:13 video shows Tila Ortiz and Alonzo Nava having a verbal confrontation over the concession (on January 5, 2010).
Alonzo asks Tila if she has a permit to be doing earthmover work on his concession. Alonzo retrieves and then shows Tila the Federal Zone Title. He tells her it is for preservation only and she can't do anything there without a federal permit. Tila Ortiz points to the concession binder and says to Alonzo "that is nothing". Alonzo then tells her he will file a "denuncia" against her. This video with sound was mentioned (as an important factor) in the Director General's 21 page decision of Sept 12, 2012 which favored Alonzo Nava.
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Great recap summary Woooosh...
Amazing how simple it is ... with all the "trash" removed from the discussion
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"Just the facts ma'am, nothing but the facts". Wasn't that Sgt. Joe Friday? I just wanted to get the main documents up and posted. The civility won't last long. We'll get into some of the back stories- and she is actually still living there, so there is no ending yet.
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Have any of the recent storms changed the look of her "front yard"???
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Nope. This summer the beach is the widest I have ever seen, although the water does come right up to her foundation. A team of CFE engineers was here last month from Mexico City. They told us the city of Rosarito wants to move the federal zone line back towards the ocean to make the area of the concession private property again. They knocked on our door and asked for our concession map (theyhad seen the video) and then verified the Federal Zone Line was officially out into the street (they even marked a spot). Apparently Rosarito is willing to build the Malecon project but aren't interested unless it is on city property so the "kings of Rosarito" can profit in some way. They don't want the Malecon to be in the federal zone. (They waited 12 years too long for that imho).
Which brings about another interesting topic. When and if the Federal Zone line is moved west, creating private land- it is the concessionaire (because they have the Federal Land Title) who has first dibbs to claim it as private property when it converts. The SEMARNAT decision clearly said Tila ORtiz lacked enough proof to show any ownership- so she isn't even in line for it according to federal law. The recent SEMARNAT decision gave total ownership and title to Alonzo and rejected her claims.
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Good point - I agree that will actually work in your favor. What Profepa is not willing to do on their behalf is much more likely to happen to protect private property rights. This might just be the proverbial straw...
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What do you know about the home built between Tila and the Playa Bonita condos? Is it occupied?
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Not much. It is a four unit building perpetually advertised for rent on Craigslist. There were three building the same, but the other two were torn down in 2005 to build the tower. The "owner" is Argentinian with Arizona license plates. He's got the same ownership papers as Tila Ortiz- nada. The neighbors say he just showed up and started renting them out. That building is just another part of the puzzle. It is empty today, but being cleaned.
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So how did they ever get authorization/permits to build in the first place???
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This epic battle knows no end. And the lady has some rocks. We have not had a hearing since our concession was revalidated by Mexico City on Sept 12, 2012- so we are responsible for what happens on it- including what she does. If our concession had been changed or modified, we would have received notice for the new payment amount (about $100USD per month). So without a hearing or notification, we just document what is happening and hope to shame them into doing the right thing. It didn't work in Spanish- so now we will do an English educational video series on living and investing in Rosarito Beach.
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So who paid for all that work???
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Tila plays poor-little-60 year old me down here, but she has a lakeside house in CA. Now that everyone knows she was not a "Mexicana" living here for 20 years as she swore to under oath her glow is wearing off. I just hope we are not the ones who have to pay for having that modular house torn off the broken slab foundation. We're into this for about $20K already.
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